tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post8822024850961112346..comments2023-10-25T11:03:28.386-04:00Comments on The Hawk Owl's Nest: Birding History: Lichtenstein's OriolePatrick B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/09080082715363887351noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post-36641654077972612502007-11-05T20:14:00.000-05:002007-11-05T20:14:00.000-05:00I've put a link to this post up at Linnaeus' Legac...I've put a link to this post up at <A HREF="http://catalogue-of-organisms.blogspot.com/2007/11/linnaeus-legacy-first-step.html" REL="nofollow">Linnaeus' Legacy</A>.Christopher Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11075565866351612441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post-84179893111411653042007-10-31T15:22:00.000-04:002007-10-31T15:22:00.000-04:00Lord help us if Red Crossbill gets split into 8+ s...Lord help us if Red Crossbill gets split into 8+ species as I've heard mentioned! Some welcome the new ID challenge... I'm not sure I do in this case. I had a hard enough time finding ONE in NJ.Patrick B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09080082715363887351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post-50056918786224417532007-10-31T14:51:00.000-04:002007-10-31T14:51:00.000-04:00I can think of more than a few lumps I'd welcome, ...I can think of more than a few lumps I'd welcome, and a number of potential splits I dread. <BR/><BR/>I'm a great fan of "Western Flycatcher," for example, and I can't help worrying that my enjoyment of our winter flocks of Brewer's Sparrows will diminish greatly should the Timberline split come. <BR/><BR/>Over the years, I've sort of developed my own idiosyncratic notions of what constitutes difference: I can sit happy for hours in the middle of a flock of feeding juncos, but really couldn't get into the Puna/Red-backed Hawk thing in Ecuador last month.<BR/><BR/>RickRick Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02801813993105953852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post-69722890933342266102007-10-31T08:25:00.000-04:002007-10-31T08:25:00.000-04:00Laura,Splits are definitely better from a lister's...Laura,<BR/><BR/>Splits are definitely better from a lister's perspective. However, they can be inconvenient because you might have to travel to a different place to "check off" a new "species" that you had previously seen before because the one from that different location is now a full species. Then again, there's nothing wrong with birding new places.Patrick B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09080082715363887351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post-51030238739380479452007-10-31T08:17:00.000-04:002007-10-31T08:17:00.000-04:00I like the old names too, especially if they're a ...I like the old names too, especially if they're a bit more descriptive of the bird.<BR/><BR/>Birders mostly like splits, but not lumps, right, because of the effect on their lists?LauraHinNJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08329387562570495570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post-76852151911568976692007-10-30T21:41:00.000-04:002007-10-30T21:41:00.000-04:00Rick, thanks for the tip. I had seen the list itse...Rick, thanks for the tip. I had seen the list itself on the AOU site, but now I see where you got that info. That's a great resource.Patrick B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09080082715363887351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post-79016778065277886922007-10-30T20:39:00.000-04:002007-10-30T20:39:00.000-04:00Actually, synonymies and other bits of nomenclatur...Actually, synonymies and other bits of nomenclatural history are a weak spot in BNA Online (a source I use every day for one thing or another). The first port of call for such questions is always the AOU Check-list, and the latest printed edition is on line for free at aou.org. Searches like this, though, are more easily conducted using the book itself, which isn't all that expensive ($50 or so?). Won't be long before the next edition appears, and it will once again treat subspecies, something we've been waiting for now since, oh, 1957.Rick Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02801813993105953852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post-48976581048864337042007-10-30T19:55:00.000-04:002007-10-30T19:55:00.000-04:00N8,Right on! I love the old bird names.Rick,Thanks...N8,<BR/><BR/>Right on! I love the old bird names.<BR/><BR/>Rick,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the great additional info. Is this when it pays to have access to the Cornell BNA web site? Or do you have other sources of info? I think we need a full write-up of this Kittiwake story!Patrick B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09080082715363887351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post-16040413114351119792007-10-30T18:59:00.000-04:002007-10-30T18:59:00.000-04:00That was my first field guide, too, and I used it ...That was my first field guide, too, and I used it until the annus mirabilis of 1983. My copy went missing in our last move, alas; among other marginalia, its pages featured a discreet smear of vomit from Nebraska's first Black-legged Kittiwake, making it well and truly irreplaceable!<BR/><BR/>Wagler, himself commemorated in the names of many Central American birds, described the oriole in 1829; whether he gave it a vernacular name honoring Lichtenstein or not I don't know. <BR/><BR/>Deppe, in his 1830 description of the genus Dives, does say that Lichtenstein discovered the Melodious Blackbird, though. <BR/><BR/>RickRick Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02801813993105953852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10864708.post-81674829741794994912007-10-30T18:01:00.000-04:002007-10-30T18:01:00.000-04:00I love the old Chandler Robbins Golden Guide! It'...I love the old Chandler Robbins Golden Guide! It's too bad we don't see more Pigeon Hawks and Oldsquaw anymoreNatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04649782420633788927noreply@blogger.com